I don’t see how any typical 6ft 3 male could possibly have a 38ins chest – I’m 5ft 6 and generally considered slim, and I have a 38ins chest. I’m 6’2″(188cm) and my chest is 37-39 inches(96-100cm), however my shoulders are 19 inches(49 cm). I’ve already gotten pretty good at alterations…. It makes an awkward situation where Medium size clothes fit me perfectly but the shoulders, meaning I have to go Large as Medium makes my shoulders too stressed. It’s a height distribution chart (same as the one above). Their shoulders and hips should grow in proportion to their height. You can follow Brock on Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. I’d recommend either ordering multiple sizes or just going into the shop to try on the garments!”, Stephanie Yeboah, Style Blogger and Writer, “Zara seems to be one of the only remaining stores on the British high street that refuses to cater for its plus-size fans. I wear medium fitted shirts ? I take a XS in Uniqlo clothes and have pants shortened (a service which they offer for free!) As I said, I’m 5’4″ and very rarely do I encounter a man who is shorter than me (aside from in my very large extended Italian-American family which has many men in my range or in my neighborhood, which is Italian American as well; and when I’m in Italy, I have no problem finding off the rack clothing that fits me, so I’m certain this is an American issue). His body type is so far from the middle of the bell curve, it’s not even on the chart. The problem i encounter however is in the sleeves. ! First, Americans truly are bulkier (don’t want to say fatter, but… alas) than Europeans, and those shots are often of European men. People are content to walk around in ill-fitting clothing because they don’t know any better or because they deem such clothing to be comfortable. Victoria's Secret models Alexina Graham, 28, Josephine Skriver, 25, Barbara Palvin, 24, and Lais Ribeiro, 27, all underwent the professional fitting on camera and one was shocked to … I have never seen a retail clothing photo caption that listed anything besides a size M. I honestly think the captions are probably made up (predetermined by marketing people) and not at all factual about the model’s height and shirt size. For me, i’m 6″ and 85Kg. and the other pictures are like none tailored shirts. Place clothing on a flat surface, then measure the dimensions according to the table below. Next month I am travelling to Hong Kong and I hope to find clothes that fit the shorter man. I’m so sorry to hear about this issue but I can totally relate as a petite woman who always feels frustrated by this kind of descriptions, particularly on sport clothes websites. These are all useless answers. There is also a Shoe company in my area, and in most area of the country called SAS. Brock, I’m very much in agreement with you here. Could almost have worn it as a dress. A sensible sizing system would vary both by width and length, like some suit manufacturers have. Aug 23, 2007 ... there are charts out there that tell you what size you should wear in different sizing systems. I agree that, for the most part, a muscular physique will fill out clothes in a flattering way, but if you’re 5’6” adding 15 lbs of muscle will barely impact shirt length. They simply do not cater for my size, so I won’t allow myself to be disheartened by trying them on unless they look like they have a lot of give. It might fit your needs. It has nothing to do with attracting viewers, because few if any models wear bras during runway shows ever, and they are rarely on TV. I’m 6ft 4 and ‘normal’ build (17st), it’s impossible to find stuff long or broad enough that isn’t designed for fat blokes. That’s right: this 6’4″ customer bought a medium because the large was “too big and too long”. Any recommendations there? He’s nowhere near a representative sample of the human male form. I probably have a 42 or 43″ chest, last I checked years ago anyway. Most often the alterations cost more than some of the clothes i buy, which isn’t such a bad thing. Iain, by email. I think they're very true to size whereas in Zara I often find their clothes to be a bit on the big side, especially Zara Woman. I hear this advice all the time, but I think people vastly overestimate the effect bulking up can have on clothing fit (length, in particular). Your chest will get big and lift the front but the back (even if jacked) will still be draping over your ass. But I’ll stand by my point: a 6’2″, 175 lbs man should not fit in a Small sized shirt. Also it’s funny how L.L. Order multiple brands, multiple sizes. Large clothes are not designed for tall people. The problem is that rather than using curve/plus size models to support this 'campaign', Zara have used the same, slim models they use in every single one of their campaigns. “I would say the best way to find stuff that fits you in Zara is to shop online or look in stores in European cities outside the UK. So I wouldn’t look too much into it. O.G. It must be some sort of mistake. the fit for that was again pretty much perfect, but it cost $90. I’ll add another point to the mix, if you have less than a size 8 foot, good luck finding a store to find nicer smart casual shoes. I don’t have the problem some of you shorter guys do, and I feel for you, I used to work in retail and fitting guys with that build for shoes and shirts and pant length isn’t easy. Shopping at Zara turns my passion for fashion into a headache. Fat shirts for fat guys worn by really small-boned tall guys. [In checking around it looks like for Fall 2003 they are back to tall and very thin - 5' 9 to 5'10", size 2 to 4 but I think they would love size 0. The men in that state are sizeable. I agree – it’s stupid. The models used are all young, and the clothes are designed to look best on tall, young frames. I have to buy all Large and get my tailor to hem the length and sleeves accordingly. Even the international brands are all dump of tall Americans and Australians. That’s all there is to it. I cannot imagine who would fit in large, XL or even XXL. It’s a limited run, available by pre-order. Also not made for many men…. My father is 6.8 and he’s wearing a f*ing Medium. To give you an idea, I’m somewhere around 6’1″ to 6’2″ (depends on when in the day you measure), and I typically weigh between 182 and 200 lbs, depending on how much muscle I’ve put on or lost. I hav not set foot in Zara again. Oh how very 1950ies! Still, I don’t always have a whole day just to get a decent shirt, and I’d much prefer to buy a quality brand where I KNOW it’s going to fit. By anyone’s definition of the word, he is not a medium sized man. I would comfortably fit into a size Medium if clothes were at all tailored for tall people. I was 4’7″ 67 lbs when I started high school and 4’10” 84 lbs. I must have misread that. Ironically, I’ve found that my best option for a quality looking fit is going to Marshall’s or the thrift store. We live in Italy, the home of the small frame women and men. if you are talking bout high end brands the picture you took as example is obviously a oversized model. The stigma attached to a plus size clothing. Designers hire models to fit the clothes they've made for their collections; they don't usually make the clothes to fit the model. For now, I’m buying off-season clothes at sixty + sometimes 70% off and having them altered. It gets frustrating spending hours and hours, traveling to different stores or even physical locations just to get a simple shirt! That way we can both look half decent without spending hundreds on shirts/blouses…. Sadly, as is so often the case with plus-size girls, I just look at the accessories, which I use to elevate the pieces I already own. It’s frustrating that they do not include the weight of the model in the info. I argue the opposite appears to be occurring in this case, that this off the rack fashion hardly ever looks good on the model. Since $$ are the bottom line, I’m confident that if we give our business to the few stores that actually think about our needs, then hopefully, if the numbers are there, we will see an increase in options all around. Scroll down to learn about five of the awesome models featured regularly on Zara.com! Good call! Excellent presentation and analysis, consistent with all of your wonderful posts. I’m on the opposite end of the spectrum. Sukoenig is outspoken about the size gap—how when you’re not a “straight” size (a term the industry uses for models who fit the traditional sample size) or “plus” (an often controversial word for sizes above a 12, though models in this category can be as small as a size … Plus, I’ve made the terrible mistake of shopping for XS clothes from those websites on the grounds of those silly standards and then it turned out that the sleeves and legs were still ridiculously long while stupidly tight (!) I can tell you that these models truly do wear sizes M, typically. Most of the faces Zara uses remain a mystery to us, but we did manage to pinpoint five of our favorites. Our society seems to think that women don't know how to do anything. I think Gap was the only one 10 years ago. Also I’ve seen many pictures of these website models in outerwear and L/S shirts with cuffs that end a good 1-2 inches short of the wrist, and it simply does not look good. BR = skinniest, Gap = “more relaxed” and Old Navy = baggy. So yeah, not ideal body shape I guess, or maybe the fashion stores should start deviding the shirt sizes into two parameters, waist size and shoulders size? 6’5″ here and nothing in stores fits either. Often we end up with clothes that “kind of fit”, and we have to spend more money at a tailor to get them just right. I firmly believe this is because if they rolled them down they would be ridiculously short. I did hear from these guys recently – https://www.purple-hat.co.uk/ – but haven’t tried them out yet (I think they were going to send a shirt…I’ll keep you updated if it arrives). Allow me to rant…. Note the prices are inversely related to the size of the clothes – the going assumption I guess is that rich people eat slimmer or got rich off their slim appearance or something. The 6-footer wears a medium, because the neck of a large is loose, the shoulders sag, and the armpits flap. I think it works: Size Small = 6 - 8. It makes it incredibly hard to find something that doesn’t look too big or too small. so yea, sometimes youre an american S( americans are fat averaged(sorry)) while youre a italian L (italians are smaller averaged) this is the way we look at things, and so do I. I really do realise your frustation, but its all about the money. We do not get anything of worth for short men here. I’m 5’4″ and 120-130 lbs. I think shirt sizes more reflect BMI rather than height. Most of the time I have to size up into a Large to avoid looking like I’m wearing a crop top. But people assume I should wear a larger size because of my height. And dress shirts were an absolute no go (and still mostly are in places like Dillards etc, it’s only places like the ones you noted above that fit). I can’t see why any company would do this in our capitalistic society. It’s all a matter of designer preference. They were still expensive though . I am 5’6″ and the shirt was too long with a chest pocket that was too low. Zara is one of the most renowned global fashion brands and high street fashion retailers, that specializes in fast fashion and trendy ready-to-wear fashion clothing for women and men. The very broad shouldered, whether by the bone structure of an ox, muscular or obesity, would require large or larger size no matter the height. but high end brands dont hate short guys ( most italians are small as fuck,consider this lol). I have purchased 5″ inseam shorts from LL Bean and they are just right for him. So why are all these 6’2″ models wearing medium sized shirts? High-street giant Zara has been criticised for not stocking anything bigger than a size large, and none of us—no matter our clothing size—should accept this as the norm. I think you have to observe where the clothes are made and find the ones that best fit your frame. (Nothing wrong with comfort, btw., I myself hate tight clothes). A few years ago I asked a sales assistant in Zara to explain their sizing. I remember a time in my life when being “average and ordinary” would have been an upgrade. Who knows, maybe they’ll even try to buy the Peter Mannings of the world, rather than try to recreate a small men’s brand for themselves (which, as we all know, is tricky). You can get prime and do their wardrobe feature where you don’t get charged unless you decide it fits. I had to resign from my role because the uniform didn’t fit. Here’s to everyone finding clothes that make them feel good, whether tall or short or skinny or fat. I will have to look and see if I can get some deals. One of the biggest issues facing the shopping public right now is the complexity of clothing sizes. I love to read that the sleeves are too short when ordering a shirt for my husband and that the sleeves are too long when ordering for myself. That just leads them to decide not to carry anything except the “core” median sizes. The fashion industry definitely seems to believe that the world is made up of petite women and tall, stocky men. I’m 5″11 and I pretty much always wear small. I like that graph he has too, in all red the shorter sizes are labeled “very few options” then it goes over to the 6’3 – 6’5 area which don’t even get a bar there are so few options and it says in yellow “some options” like it has more than the short guys. I’m a Master Life Coach and Hypnotherapist and work with both men and women struggling with there image as it relates to their size anywhere on the spectrum. They do have websites now like Moderntailored.com shirts start at $20 and go up and Tailorstore.com shirts seem to be at $59-$80. The other good news is the trend towards shorter jackets; if it wasn’t for that I’d find buying sport jackets that fit length-wise to be an impossibility. If they can be produced fairly and sustainably, that would be fantastic as well. I think that’s because every short man has felt underserved and ignored by major retailers at some point in his life. The *smallest* size they have is 5 or 6 inches taller than the average American woman! It’s a nightmare. For me, this sucks, because Medium often fits in the chest but is too short, so my only option is to go for a baggy large that’s long enough for me. I just wanted to point out that as a 6’2 lean male (similar dimensions to the pictures), I definitely don’t fall into the ‘ton of options’ category in reality. Anderson wears a 32B bra size so that is ideal for promoting this brand’s iconic push-up bras. The ones the models are wearing have been altered so that they are longer just to fit the model. I research and write about style every single day. We both wear size medium (including ll bean)…in fact, he wears some small shirts too I think. I’m 5’11” with like a 40-42 chest and somewhat broad shoulders, and when I try on shirts in stores I’m either a M or L, and I work out and don’t plan to stop, so I lean towards L becuase I think I’ll gradually get bigger. My poor husband swims in those clothes. I buy tall sizes for my tall kid. Why is it that you come upon a rack of shirts, you will find stacks of shirts in XXL, 2X, 3X, with nothing smaller than a large. As you say, who exactly are these clothes supposed to fit? That’s ridiculous (even in Maine). Required fields are marked *. When I do wear Large, which go nice on my shoulders, however it makes my waist part look funny, as if I’m larger than I actually am, and in addition the shirts often go way under my waist line and overlay my pants too much. You should make a post about companies that ship internationally, as im sure that you have lots of international readers! He is a large man, maybe even extra large. As I’m looking through their already limited XL and XXL sizes I wonder, Do they really think this is the biggest size for a woman? Maybe they took a page from GAP’s playbook? Founding editor of The Modest Man, Brock is an aspiring minimalist who enjoys working out, spending time with his wife and family, traveling and creating great content. They will be made from high quality fabrics in the USA. It’s almost always the correct width but a horribly short length. Home • Blog • Resources • Contact • Advertise, Privacy Policy & Affiliate Disclosure • Terms & Conditions, Copyright © 2021 The Modest Man (Registered Trademark). Beginning models start modeling in the age range of 13-19 and if you have not made it by twenty it is over. I think the sizing is mostly based on chest size and not height. SO, you run into shirts that are supposed to be a large or a medium that somehow seem to better fit men who are considerably larger (aside from the fat) than the men that SHOULD be fitting into those shirts. She asked what size are the models on Zara website wearing, not go try it for yourself. Please tell me that your line will be availabe internationally! I have been to a certain store with a Big Red Bull eye 2-3 times a months and I will find those same shirts still on the rack. Try to buy a medium here for me and the item will never pass your elbows or reach your waist, if you are a tall.. born in Maine, female. Raymond, I too, have had to resort in buying shoes in the women’s department that look halfway masculine. Looks like a $295 shirt from Rag & Bone won’t fit any better than a $39 shirt from ASOS. Zara jeans have long been a bit of a mystery to me. Speaking of wtf, why do XS sweatpants from H&M have 31″ inseams? these clothes only look like proper fitted on tall guys lol. There’s often dozens of brands you can pull off the rack and try on. theyre pictures not reality, they probaly would look weird walking down the street.all part of marketing. For approximately the 17,321,212nd time, this column finds it can only answer … Except…the average 5’9″ American man is anything BUT healthy – instead, the average American man, at 5’9″ or so, weighs about 30 lbs more than he should at that height. I only wish there were similar options over here, as shipping, VAT and import fees from the US into the EU nearly doubles the price (but at least the clothes will actually fit). But the rest of my family is far taller than me, I don’t have many connections in Asia, and I’m absolutely shit at sewing. I’m not stick thin either but I have a 27 inch waist. I’m finding that there are a few more size options and more places that have custom fitting for reasonable prices. 25 Great Watches For Small Wrists (Updated for 2021), The Complete Guide to Business Casual Style for Men [2021], A Beginner’s Guide to Cutting Your Own Hair at Home. for the body to fit, the neck would never button or the sleeves would be too short. Size 6 (American sizing). Crew) work out better for you? That’s bullshit! For years and years I was wearing clothes that must have been too big for me and I wasn’t even aware of it. But I guess it’s also good to ask why there’s such an impulse to spend money in a shop that so very clearly excludes plus-size women. I used to have some luck buying online mainly from Korean and other Asian brands that cater to shorter men specifically, but now that I’m older and have put on some weight that’s no longer an option because their sizes are tiny and usually “fitted” to boot. However, as a size 20, these are still on the small side for me. I’m going to teach myself to tailor shirts because I happen to have a similar problem, larger chest, shoulders and hips, small waist. Do you feel my pain? $88 shirts and $98 jeans are just not acceptable prices when “average” sizes are widely available for less than $30. If we raised our arms half our belly would show. rachelsholiday on May 27, 2011: Thank you for writing this! I am the tall wife of a short guy. Fit models – both male and female, are aliens. I’m in a different kind of dilemma with my husband. Pretty much every t-shirt and shirt either looks like he is wearing a tent or like it has shrunk in the wash. What one commenter above said is true – the guys in the photos tend to have pins and stitches put in for the photo to make it fit well. However, I do think my number one tip would be to try stuff on (which I know contradicts what I just said!). Bean making shirts for giants? Size Medium = 10 - 12. The industry dictates standards for fit models, and one of them is that your body must be in the proportions befitting a certain size. And anyone can order one (or three! We shouldn’t have to work so hard!”, Imogen Lysandrou, Curve Model With Models 1, “I absolutely love Zara, but for me, their trousers are a no-go. However, its sizes still seem to plateau at a size 16/18. It’s a good thing companies such as the ones you mentioned and yourself are emerging to fight the good fight. And if you noticed, no one is even these buying shirts. I used to look at it askance myself, but then I did my own comparison (sizes, appearance) and find the info provided as credible. There’s no way your 6’2″ model is wearing a medium, right? Large and tall, like small (width) and petite (height) are not interchangeable although one can be both or neither. Didn’t I hear that Mango shirts fit well? But American shirts….they’re made for fat people. As a 40-year-old man, 5’4 and 135 pounds, lean and muscular build, I used to dread going shopping for clothing and now thanks to some online options along with a successful livelihood that allows me to buy made-to-measure and bespoke clothing, I very rarely even go into a clothing store or buy from a mainstream clothing company. I know that 'regular models' wear a size zero or maybe a 1 or a 2, but if a normal girl wishes to model, and she's got the looks, what size clothing do they wear? As a six foot slim guy I luckily benefit from this, but truly do sympathise because any shorter and I would be at a loss. Clothing sizes are mostly designed for your chest. Yes. Never miss a post, plus grab this free guide (instant download). However, it’s a catch-22, because short men tend to shop less at brick-and-mortar because they never have our sizes, so it looks like we buy less. Amazon is a good choice, imo. 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